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I understand perfectly the difference between genetic therapy and engineering - you've articulated it very well.
But I think you've too easily dismissed my previous questions about what is a variation vs what should be considered something that needs fixing. It's a hard question. I think Trisonomy and autism, and perhaps even some mental illness, if a genetic or in-utero treatment can be found, are the quickest examples that come to mind of individuals who have differences outside their control that may or may not be flaws in a larger sense. There have been plenty of artists and genuises that had mental problems. Would it have been right to interfere or would that have changed something fundamantal to who they were and what they had to contribute. I'm not sure the ability to function easily in society should be our determinant for meddling without (or even with) the consent of the person. Maybe we are the flawed ones in God's eyes. I think many a parent with a Down's syndrome child could make a good argument on that point. The Church really does not teach that it is left to priests and bishops to help individuals decide what is moral in all cases and therefore I don't think it has the luxury of leaving the doors open so wide as you propose. I think it SHOULD be the policy of the Church to outline the broad moral positions and leave the details in individual cases to local consultation with a spiritual director. But clearly that is not Church policy or we would not have seen the excommunication of a nun on a hospital ethics board in Arizona after she approved an abortion to save the life of a mother with other living children to consider, a decision that needed to be made quickly and with a baby too young to survive outside the womb. When you write "It is all in the intent not the effect." you are not fully articulating the Catholic moral view IMO. That's also very close to 'the ends justifies the means' which is categorically rejected. I wish there was more nuance allowed for the right to inform individual conscience. It's the lack of nuance and clear promotion of the right of informed conscience that I think is going to lead to even more resistance to the Church from the laity and larger society than what exists now as things change too fast for the Church to keep up.
Oregon Catholic,
I appreciate your thoughtful comments and this post was not directed at your comment but at other comments elsewhere. You wrote, "I think it SHOULD be the policy of the Church to outline the broad moral positions and leave the details in individual cases to local consultation with a spiritual director." In this case, I think that is what the Church is saying. If a parent wants to treat trisomy 21 in their child, which is a genetic disorder that causes physical problems as well as cognitive issues, then it would NOT be immoral to do so. The Church does not say parents are obliged to, but they are within moral bounds to do so because the intent is therapeutic. If a person has a genetic cause for mental illness and they want it treated with genetic engineering because it is sufficiently debilitating for them, then it would NOT be immoral for them to do that. These are decisions left to the individual, their doctor and spiritual advisor. The guideline is that any attempt at genetic intervention be therapeutic as opposed to enhancing. I am no theologian, but it seems to me the Church does not say gene therapy must or should be performed, but that any genetic intervention should be therapeutic in nature, which is an "intent" based valuation.
Thanks for your reply. The wide open nature of what might qualify as 'therapy' is so broad as to be frightening to me. I would be far more comfortable if genetic therapy was limited to curing fatal conditions.
Defining what constitutes therapy will necessarily involve defining what human characteristics/conditions are licit to accquire or change. Will therapy be licit when one isn't born with what one wants or only when one lacks what is needed to be healthy? There is so much more moral and ethical discussion needed IMO before we Catholics go down that road.
I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Everyone in my mother's family has it too, so I think we can conclude it was hereditary.
While I am undoubtedly as smart as I am in part because my disease forces me to notice things healthy people can ignore, I also have had, oh, five nervouse breakdowns...and I'm 27. My first was at the age of, I think, 8. No "genius" is worth a child spending months of his life terrified that his whole world is going to be ruined by some upsetting idea he saw in a movie—I remember that the first Toy Story was the occasion of one of my breakdowns. I would spend roughly a week worrying any time a post-apocalyptic future was in a TV show, even in cartoons ostensibly for children. Mental illness is precisely that: illness. It's no more worth keeping around than sickle-cell anemia. We have quinine now. Whatever supposed tradeoff the disease gives, in exchange for the misery it brings, we can acquire some other way.
My family has some pretty bad anxiety and depression issues as well (OCD panic attacks and generalized depression) and it is clearly hereditary because adopted members don't have any issues. I suffer from some pretty debilitating depression myself and I would treat it with tried and tested gene therapy if it was shown to be safe and defective.
I don't understand why you listen to the Catholic Church. The only true path to God is through Muhammed. Alhumdulilah!
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