Monday, January 12. 2009"Procreative Beneficence: Why We Should Select the Best Children"Trackbacks
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AMEN. And Amen.
I wonder at times just how much understanding such folks have of selective pressures and species survival, quite apart from the ethics with which they don't seem to be troubled. Today, obesity and diseases related to it are big problems for many Samoan people. Centuries ago, however, that tendency to accumulate body fat made possible their survival on long ocean voyages aboard wind-driven craft with limited space for food, and consequently their colonization of the islands of the South Pacific. Is their metabolism a flaw or an advantage? It depends on whether or not you have a steady food supply. Sickle cell anemia is, even with today's treatments, a terrible disease. In times past those affected seldom lived to adulthood. But in malaria-ridden areas of Africa, carriers have a measure of resistance to the disease. If not carrying the gene at all is as likely to result in early death as carrying two copies of it, is it any wonder that evolution has favored the heterozygous? Would advocates of "procreative beneficience" have selected against quirky geniuses like Steinmetz, Tesla, and Einstein because of their physical or psychosocial defects? Or would they prefer a world peopled entirely by such geniuses? Or perhaps there's a "golden mean" of just the right proportion of genial sociopaths to sound people of average intelligence? It's not just a sanctimonious platitude that our strength lies in our diversity. It behooves our mad scientist friends to think very, very hard about the genes they might like to see eliminated from our genome in the future. Some of them might one day be the key to our survival.
I don't know if this blog still operates, I just stumbled across it and I thought that I would comment.
No argument put against Savulescu here is sufficient to undermine his argument. His argument is this; Moral action requires that we do what we have most reason to do. We have more reason to choose a child with more well-being than a child with less. The child who will have the most well-being is the best child. Therefore, we ought to choose the child with the most well-being. This is what we call in logic a valid argument. That means that if you want to deny the argument you must prove one of the premises false. To substitute child for car does nothing to undermine Savulescu's argument. In fact, it supports it. Practical reason demands that we do what we have most reason to do. We have more reason to choose a car without problems than a car with problems. Therefore, we ought to choose the car that is likely not to have problems. All, you have done is demonstrate the validity of Savulescu's argument. The closest you come to making a suitable argument against Savulescu is when you suggest that Humans cannot understand the complexities of nature and if we start choosing children, that might mess with natural selection. However, when you claim this, you forget what you admitted earlier. With procreative beneficence you are choosing the best child. You choose from children that you can have. The embryos involved are created by nature, all that is being done is selecting from these embryos which one is the most likely to have the best life. There will be cases where this will be easy to identify. If one child will have Tay Sachs syndrome, that child cannot be chosen. Other times, it will be more difficult, many embryos will display the possibility of having a good life. In that case, there is no more reason to choose one over another and morality allows you to choose any. What I have described cannot adjust the course of natural selection as you suggest it might. We are not genetically engineering children, we are choosing from naturally created embryos using PGD and IVF. Consider that weird family you know that has 11 kids. Now imagine they have no kids and they use IVF to create 11 embryos. Those embryos could be the embryos that created the 11 kids that exist in reality. All PGD would allow the parents to do (in our imagined case) is select from the 11 embryos the one they consider to have the best chance for the best life. Procreative beneficence says they must choose the one that will have the most well-being. You have given no reason to think that we should not do that. There are good reasons to oppose Savulescu, you have not identified any. Thanks
You clearly buy into the idea that children are commodities from which one can choose "the best."
Children are not commodities to be measured and evaluated according to our flawed and limited criteria. You and Julian confuse parents choosing the best FOR their children, and choosing the "best" child among many.
I don't think I do. Parents ought to do what is best for their children. I agree and so would Julian. Julian however thinks that we ought to pick the child with the best chance in life. The child who will have the best chance is also the best child. You are right to challenge the idea that we could have a good criteria for determining what the best child is because we would certainly have trouble ascertaining which child, of possible children, has the best chance of the best life. However, it is likely uncontroversial to say that some genetic factors seriously affect the possibility of a good life. If we can identify these factors then, says Julian, we ought to use technology to do so in order to have a child who will have a good chance at a good life.
Is this the commodification of children? I don't think so. You are merely picking the best child of the possible children that you can have. Its important to remember that whatever child you choose could have been born naturally. All the new technology allows is for parents to eliminate some of the natural randomness inherent in natural reproduction. Since this is the case, to resist using this technology in this case is tantamount to defending the randomness of natural reproduction. Why defend this randomness? Is it not better to avoid birthing children who will have debilitating genetic diseases such as Tay Sachs? Perhaps I just don't understand the commodities objection. How does choosing a child of possible children that you can have amount to the commodification of children? And, if it does, what exactly is undesirable or reprehensible about doing so? I believe you have invoked this objection so that the view of choosing children looks like choosing a car, and, of course, there are similarities. However, this is not enough to establish the claim that there is something objectionable about choosing children. I am interested to know what exactly you find reprehensible about choosing children. I have a suspicion about what it is but I will put the question to you rather than speculate about the source of your worries. Thanks |
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